12. Kathy Cacciola, Season One Reflections

On this episode of “Food Lab Talk”, host Michiel Bakker is joined by Kathy Cacciola, global sustainability lead on the Google Food team. Together, they reflect on their thoughts, impressions and learnings from Season 1, including the importance of community in food systems and practical advice for changemakers. Our favorite takeaway: In complex systems, you learn by doing, so get started! 
 
00:20 Introduction to Kathy Cacciola 
02:15 Kathy’s Season 1 impressions: No ego, reframing food challenges 
03:30 The personal connection, perspectives and positivity 
06:45 Understanding the complexity of food systems 
11:20 Community and moving at the speed of trust 
14:54 Season 1 practical takeaways for changemakers 
16:50 Michiel’s changemaking advice: Frame, orient, mobilize 
19:15 Kathy’s changemaking advice: The value of naysayers 
20:12 The many roles of changemakers 
21:38 Previewing Season 2: Shifting Diets 
24:04 Our parting thought: Food creates relationships 
 
Links 
 
Don’t miss Season 2 of Food Lab Talk “Shifting Diets,” launching September 2023.  
 
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*The views expressed by the guests in this podcast don't necessarily represent the host’s views, nor those of his employer. 
 
12. Kathy Cacciola, Season One Reflections
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